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okay here is our interview with vince

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you're an expert on the civil rights

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movement tell us your thoughts on

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what martin luther king would be saying

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today about what he sees going on in

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america if he was alive today i i i'm

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conflicted with martin luther king jr uh

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um

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people are very emotional when it comes

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to dr king of course he got assassinated

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of course he he did sacrifice a lot but

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i go by what our bible tells us about a

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tree is known by the fruit it bears

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i don't know if king was a false prophet

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or not i'm not saying that i am saying

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that when you look at what he

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accomplished

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again as i say

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every metric

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everyone except for getting black

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liberals elected he failed

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schools are still segregated uh schools

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are more segregated now than they were

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before brown versus board of education

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according to a harvard study

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black income hasn't risen since

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black and white uh our income has not

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it's not narrow since 1968

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the black community has more crime more

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black men in prison the black family has

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been destroyed

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so when you look at what he tried to

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accomplish you say

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you accomplished

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nothing why

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here's the answer

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the whole concept was flawed

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they depended on government

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repair these eels and it's not

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government's job to do it if martin

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luther king had done

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what he was trained to do as a minister

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he and billy graham would change america

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why this is how the civil rights

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movement should have worked

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black man says hey

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i want to eat at your restaurant white

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man says no you can't eat in my

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restaurant instead of going to the

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government and getting the gun and

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putting it to that white man's head and

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said i'm going to make you let me eat

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here black man should have said i'm

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going to build a restaurant i'm going to

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make it better than yours and when i

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finish it you can come eat at my

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restaurant for free

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that's how you

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change your heart can i send my child to

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your school no well i'm gonna build my

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school and it's gonna be better than

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yours and then your child can come to my

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school for free and i'm going to treat

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him with respect that's how you change

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the hearts of people that's how jesus

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told us christians to change but instead

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they use the gun we're going to get laws

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changed and we're going to put a gun in

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your head and even if you hate me i'm

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going to force you to allow me to be in

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your presence now see that's offensive

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you shouldn't force yourself to be in

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anyone's presence if you don't want me

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in your presence see you don't want to

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be you but it's insane

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to force yourself to be in the presence

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of a white racist that tells you i'm

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going to kill you the first chance i get

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so we forced ourselves what the black

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community did to be amongst people that

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hated us and look at the results we're

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worse off

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and i'm saying to myself why couldn't

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you see that

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we are the only people in the history of

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the world

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that that that forced ourselves that

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forced our way into living amongst our

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oppressor

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most other people try to get away and

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just wanted to make sure that the laws

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were verified that the constitution was

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verified no

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we went to washington dc

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had laws passed

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that forced klan members

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that forced white supremacists

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to allow us in to their presence and

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they've destroyed the minds of our

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children

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we've destroyed our economy we've

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destroyed our own communities behind it

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and instead of them stopping and saying

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let's see let's do a double take on this

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now guys let's let's this is this isn't

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working they're full speed ahead you

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know why because the one thing the civil

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rights movement wanted the only thing it

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really wanted was to make sure that

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ninety percent of the black community

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voted for the democratic party that was

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there they know how many of us die they

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don't care many of our schools are

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destroyed they don't care about children

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go to jail as long as we vote democrat

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that's all that matters so i'm

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conflicted with dr king his message to

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me was also schizophrenic

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uh he they i heard this story

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he was um from from the cnn host um his

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name was larry king larry king said his

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favorite interview was not martin luther

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king jr 1961. he said king was trying to

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integrate this hotel god won't let him

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when the police came they said what do

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you want king said i want my dignity see

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i hate that story because it implies

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that a white man can give me my dignity

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or any man can give me my dignity he

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can't my identity he came from god

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and martin luther king jr nobel prize

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laureate the most important black man in

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america

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the ivory school graduate allowed some

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minimum wage clerk

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to take his dignity

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he then said he said on the march uh uh

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in this i have a dream speech 100 years

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after masturbation proclamation the

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negro is still not free that is a lie

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i was born free

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god gave me my freedom in that statement

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he set up marches and and

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and and and

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and civil disobedience for the next

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hundred years because that is why those

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young men were kneeling

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in the nfl in 2018 they believed that

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they had to go to government for their

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freedom

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they believed that they had to go to

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white people for their freedom and white

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people saying we can't give you your

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freedom dr king said you could

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see he planted a a defeatist

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victimization mindset in the in black

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america that we still haven't gotten rid

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of and before we move forward we got to

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get rid of that root and stern

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yeah no i i i was thinking individual

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freedom when you were when you were

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talking and then you went right to that

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that america is all about individual

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freedom and we don't need the government

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to give us the information and we are

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start a business with our own money and

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decide that i'm going to have a business

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that serves only white men i'm going to

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have a business that serves only lgbt

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i'm going to have a business that serves

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only children

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that is

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and and a blackberry to set up a

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business or used to be anyway that to

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serve black people but now the

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government is enforcing is imposing on

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freedoms and that's basically your point

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you know i i used to practice this kind

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of law

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at my law firm i used to defend

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companies on race and sex discrimination

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cases and i used to say that um you know

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really you shouldn't need

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these protections you shouldn't need

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these protections from government if a

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business chooses

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to to have a business that serves only

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whites well good luck to you let's see

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how you do yeah that's stupid right yeah

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let the market decide yeah exactly

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yeah and he'll see that he will not you

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know people people walk with me and say

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you know i tell him i don't believe in

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white supremacy

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well why not i said because i never

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never met a white man superior to me

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and then it always shocks them i said i

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am a christian i'm a son of god i'm an

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heir of jesus christ who can be superior

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to me

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no one

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i'm he's not superior he's not below

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he's my brother i believe in i believe

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in brotherhood and fraternalism

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i have gifts you have gifts we we we use

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our gifts and we make a beautiful

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beautiful world some guys are hvac man

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some guy's a transmission guy some guy

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some guy's a heart surgeon some guy's a

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lawyer but we do what we do and what and

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we use the gifts god gave us and then we

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have beautiful things we don't talk

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about equality

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no we talk about justice i don't believe

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in equality i believe in justice i

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believe in brotherhood what did ernest

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hemingway said he said true nobility

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is not being superior to your fellow man

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it's being superior to your former self

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i compete with this ellison every day

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if a racist does not want me around him

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i love you that's all i can control is

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what i do i love you

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but if you don't want me around you

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that's fine

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i still love you but if you put your

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hands on me i'm gonna deal with you

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god bless you but as far as me running

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up him you better let me around you you

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better that's called stalking

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and it's against the law of the united

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states of america

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if a person doesn't want you in their

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presence

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you should have enough

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enough esteem in yourself

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to say

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take care whether it be a beautiful

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woman

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whether it be a racist

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if they say get lost loser

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am i right brother

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yeah

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uh you're making too much sense where

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was where was mlk on the issue of

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welfare

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oh he was trying to get as much as he

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could as a matter of fact uh right

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before he died they were putting

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together the um poor people's march

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and the poor people's march is gonna

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have a guaranteed income guaranteed

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housing guaranteed health care uh it was

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it was going to take america to uh uh

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complete socialism and you're saying

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king king was leading or part of that

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movement oh yeah he was going to leave

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the poor people's march he was going to

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the plan was to take a million poor

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people to washington dc and shut it down

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lay in the streets shut it all down

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until he got guaranteed income

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uh guaranteed housing guaranteed health

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care and he died in memphis before they

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got it all rolling but that was the plan

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and a lot of people said that's my that

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might be why he he got assassinated

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because of that plan it was a

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socialistic plan but it wasn't strange

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uh um

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cornell west

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i think it was sean hannity's show that

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martin luther king was a

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democrat socialist he admitted to that

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it was it was a piece written by david

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guerrero when and and david garros said

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that king admitted he was a marxist i

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don't know that to be true but i do know

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this i do know that king did go to the

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it was this communist communist training

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camp in the united states of america

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called the highlander folk school it was

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in the mountains of tennessee

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highlander you can look it up folk

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school he rosa parks andrew young ralph

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abernathy and a lot of the civil rights

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workers went there to be trained

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and it was ran by two communists and uh

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the the the state of tennessee took his

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charter

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and tore it down because um they

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concluded was a communist training camp

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now that's true

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um so if any of your people look up want

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to look up the highlander folk school

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they'll find it

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it is absolutely true

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also there's a fact that in 1961 martin

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luther king jr tried to take over the

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national baptist convention the national

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baptist convention was the biggest

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protestant

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convention in the united states of

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america of black people about 10 million

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black people belonged to it

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king tried to take it over and he wanted

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to use it

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uh to push for civil rights put it in

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the civil rights movement

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the national baptist convention was

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designed of course like churches were

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supposed to be designed to get

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people prepared to live forever in the

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presence of jesus christ they said he

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wouldn't be involved in civil rights so

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what king did

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king tried to take it over

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at the convention they got into a fist

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fight where old minister got killed in

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the fist fight

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and after king lost they kicked him out

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of the national baptist convention so

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king started his own organization it's

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called the progressive national baptist

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convention a lot of people don't know